Roger Scully finds a counter-intuitive response to how far people think devolution in Wales has gone
Since the referendum in 1997 which led to the creation of the National Assembly, many surveys have explored people’s views about devolution. One common form of question in these surveys has been to ask people to choose their preferred option for how Wales should be governed from several plausible alternatives. A survey conducted immediately after the 1997 referendum, and several subsequent ones, asked people to choose between the following options:
- Wales should become independent, separate from the UK and the European Union.
- Wales should become independent, separate from the UK but part of the European Union.
- Wales should remain part of the UK, with its own elected parliament which has law-making and taxation powers.
- Wales should remain part of the UK with its own elected assembly which has limited law-making powers only.
- Wales should remain part of the UK without an elected assembly.
- Don’t know
Alternative question formulations have been tried. In 2009, a study of public attitudes was conducted in fourteen ‘regions’ across Europe, including Scotland and Wales. Needing a wording that would work across multiple different political and constitutional contexts, this asked respondents to choose between the following options:
- There should be no devolved government.
- The devolved institution should have fewer powers.
- We should leave things as they are now.
- The devolved institution should have more powers.
- The country should become independent, separate from the state.
In general these options seem to work as broad measures of public attitudes to devolution. The vast majority of survey respondents are able to answer them, and using consistent measures over time allows one to trace change in attitudes. Surveys conducted from 1997 onwards using the ‘Assembly/Parliament’ question above showed a big drop in opposition to devolution after 1997.
However, there are also limits to these questions. While No Devolution and Independence are the obvious options to place at each end of the scale, it’s not intuitively obvious what the options should be in between. Nor is it self-evident how people will understand the options they are given. How different do most people see the ‘Parliament’ option in the first list above from either the ‘Assembly’ one or from Independence? Nor do these questions tell us how people see the status quo. This raises concerns about interpreting answers to the second question: if people say they favour ‘more’ powers, what does that mean – more than what?
To address some of these concerns, we included a different way of measuring attitudes to devolution in the 2011 Welsh Referendum Study. We presented people with a 0-100 scale, anchored by the two options of No Devolution at one end (scored 0) and Independence at the other (scored 100). We then asked people to indicate on this scale: ‘Where would you place things as they are right now’, and ‘How you would like to see Wales being governed’. We also asked about the preferences of the main parties (e.g., ‘How you think the Labour Party would like to see Wales being governed?’), and about the consequences of a Yes vote in the referendum.
The first thing to check was whether this new form of question ‘worked’. Happily it did: most respondents could answer it, and their answers made sense in relation to how they answered other questions (asked in other survey waves). So, if we group people by how they responded to the More/Fewer powers question above, we get the following average response on the 0-100 scale to ‘How you would like to see Wales being governed’:
– Those who chose the No Devolution option on the More/Fewer powers question averaged 9.1 on the 0-100 scale;
– Those who chose Fewer Powers on the More/Fewer powers question averaged 12.6 on the 0-100 scale;
– Those who chose Leave as Now on the More/Fewer powers question averaged 33.7 on the 0-100 scale;
– Those who chose More Powers on the More/Fewer powers question averaged 61.8 on the 0-100 scale; and
– Those who chose Independence on the More/Fewer powers question averaged 83.2 on the 0-100 scale.
Knowing that our 0-100 scale works, we can use it to investigate some interesting aspects of attitudes towards devolution. For instance, what is the relationship between people’s perceptions of the current situation and their own preferences? How does ‘Where would you place things as they are right now’ correlate with ‘How you would like to see Wales being governed’?
My expectation was that we would see what political scientists have called a contrast effect: that is to say people would tend to see a strong contrast between the current situation and how they would like things to be. Thus, I expected that those who remain opposed to devolution would tend to perceive it as having gone much too far, and they would certainly perceive devolution as having gone much further than would those who support independence or enhanced devolution. The latter group, I expected, would tend to perceive devolution as having not gone nearly far enough, and this would make them much more likely to place ‘things as they are right now’ nearer to the No Devolution end of the spectrum.
In fact, we find exactly the opposite. The chart groups respondents according how they answered ‘How would you like Wales to be governed?’, and shows the average response for each group on ‘Things as they are right now’. Put simply, it shows how far people think devolution has gone – and it shows that these perceptions depend greatly on how far they would like devolution to go. Those whose own preference is for no or very limited devolution tend to see place ‘things as they are right now’ only quite a modest distance from the No Devolution end of the spectrum. But those favouring independence or much enhanced devolution see things as having actually gone quite a long way towards their desired goal!
This result has been repeated (indeed, even more strongly) in a subsequent wave of sampling, so it is not just some fluke. Personally, I find this one of the more disturbing findings in all the research I’ve conducted on public attitudes in Wales. Those who dislike Devolution seem to be telling themselves that it doesn’t matter that much. By contrast, many of those supportive of substantial autonomy for Wales seem to have convinced themselves that they are well on the way to realising their goals! These findings may in part reflect the lack of clarity in the Welsh devolution settlement, allowing people to see in it whatever they wish.
But they also suggest that, with regards to how the nation is governed, Wales is currently the land of wishful thinking.
6 thoughts on “Polls suggest we’re a land of wishful thinking”
The inherent weakness of all ‘issue’ polls is that they place the respondent in an artificial situation, in which he is forced to come to an immediate conclusion on a subject he is unlikely to have considered in depth. Except perhaps on the rare occasion when the question is the same as that in an imminent referendum, such surveys fail to duplicate the thought patterns of a voter in the polling booth. This was one of the reasons why the 1997 referendum was much closer than those who depend too much on polls anticipated. Those of us who haunt this site tend to be a bit obsessive about devolution, whether for against, but we have to concede that our obsession is not shared by the vast majority of Welsh people. The low turnout figure in the 2011 referendum is the most accurate indicator of what the public really thinks. Ignorance and apathy prevail, especially since the electorate is rarely if ever exposed to the minority view in the debate. There is a very strong case against the Assembly but, as with so many issues, the political and media Establishment make sure the people never hear it.
It seems to me, from that final bar chart, that those who are against think it’s gone too far and those who are for think it hasn’t gone far enough. Too simplistic?
“There is a very strong case against the Assembly but… the political and media Establishment make sure the people never hear it.”
When all else fails, there’s always the conspiracy theories
Dave, there is nothing so grand as a conspiracy, merely conformity and complacency.
There is a strong case against any form of government but I find it extraordinary that any thoughtful person would want to revert to the situation pre-devolution where Wales was governed by politicians to whom it was utterly marginal. Decisions affecting Wales were not amenable at all to public opinion in Wales. Home rule government has not been efficient so far but at least it is interested.
Mr Tredwyn, with respect, if your argument ever had any merit it is now out of date since we have a Secretary of State who is a Welshman sitting for a Welsh seat.
The real question is why any thoughtful person would not want to go back to a time when our business sector, our education system, and our health service were not as far behind England’s as they are now?
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